Are guns and drugs really the core reason for school shootings in the USA?
The Chicago Tribune article titled, Santa Fe school shooting, Ritalin and the NRA’s culture of convenient excuses, gave statistical comparisons to prove that real reason for the USA high numbers of school shootings is the availability of guns. The comparison, included culture, religion, countries, and drugs.
However, the writer omitted the core reason clue, in my opinion. What is the real reason and clue is the subject of this post?
Was the writer a fool or just another liberal indoctrinated American boy who never experienced the core reason in his childhood, so he cannot comprehend the problem to provide a logical comparison?
King Solomon
In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right, until someone comes forward and cross-examines. (Proverb 18:7 NIV)
What’s My Point?
In a previous post, I made a point that because the misinterpretation by the Supreme Court of the Second Amendment has resulted in religion being separated from the people because the majority of USA families cannot afford to send their kids to private religious schools.
What the article omitted was the fact or truth that all of the school shootings that have taken place in the USA were in public schools. Some logical conclusions might be that the kids are either better protected in a private school, or being taught religious morals, or not being taught something that is omitted in every public school curriculum?
In My Opinion,
That something clue is the main core reason omitted by the writer’s article.
If interested
Read an article that explains the core word phrase difference that public education cannot instill without religious moral teachings. It cannot be instilled into a public school education because it cannot be comprehended without teaching religious morality of the belief in God, in my opinion. \
Because it is missing from USA public school education vs. private religious education, the result is school shootings are occurring in public schools rather than private religious schools,
What is the Clue?
The clue is the word phrase taught in a private religious school begins with the letters “ybk” explaining the difference of what religious teaching teach, but public schools cannot because of separation of religion from government misinterpretation, in my opinion..
The word phrase difference is “ybk” is located in the 13th paragraph of the following article link.
You Decide
Did the writer omit this factor because he never went to a private religious school? The result being that he will never be able to understand the real core reason that public education omission of religious moral teachings to instill the phrase “ybk” is the core reason for school shootings?
Is my coming forward with this information a wise or foolish cross-examination of the writer’s article?
Regards and good will blogging.
Source Link
Chicago Tribune
Previous Post Link
https://rudymartinka.com/2018/05/21/king-solomon-school-shootings-ancient-remedy-for-gun-violence/
Interesting. Well said.
Something I believe that is a problem is the media and how they kind of romanticize school shootings and serial killers, giving it all this attention. The bad guy has made a name for himself. If instead we reported something like, “this bad guy killed some people. We held a trial and executed him,” the whole narrative would change. Instead there is notoriety, fame, book deals, interviews.
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I agree, romanticize is part of the problem. I wrote a post on the same opiniion.
The real core reason is about public school teaching being prohibitied for religious moral teachings.
If interested,
https://rudymartinka.com/2018/02/24/king-solomon-killer-fools/
Regards and good will blogging.
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Introducing theism as fact in public schools is inappropriate; keep the teachings of religions in religious schools.
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I agree, that is why I support school vouchers to allow everyone choice how to teach their children. Which method was best will be known by the parents in time when they see the results of their children’s conduct and moral teachings.
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If people want their children to have an education exclusive to their religion of choice (or to spirituality in general), why not homeschool ?
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Both parents today have to work, some two jobs. Not practical or affordable housing yfor the average family.
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If you can’t afford to give your child the specific education you want them to have according to your religion of choice, then how can you justify complaining about public school education?
Public school can’t afford to teach about every single religion and give every single student a spiritual philosophical lesson that will be acceptable to every single parent; it seems like spirituality is a bit of an inappropriate topic for a public school class (aside from philosophy or religious studies, which already exist in public high schools).
Private religious schools exist because SO MANY religions and dominations and concepts of spirituality and spiritual beliefs exist and they all differ so much and are so unique that teaching them all as fact in the same room is hypocritical and contradictory.
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Why do parents have to be forced to have government decide what can or cannot be taught to their children
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Because they’re asking the government to provide the education because they can’t afford the one they want
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@Amanda
I think you miss the point. The only reason we might possibly need public schools is to make certain the children of the poor receive a decent education. That, however, is just a money problem. Some parents don’t have enough money, but most do. Moreover, good private schools cost less to operate than public schools. So there is no reason parents should be pressured to send their children to public schools. There is no reason government has to run a school system, secularize it, and pressure everyone to send their children to the schools it runs.
You say government does not pressure parents to send their children to public schools? That is disingenuous. When government taxes all of us and then offers parents a free education for their children, that constrains parental choice. That education is only “free” to those who give up control of the education of their children to the state. Frankly, that’s the sort of thing fascists and communists do and quite inappropriate for a constitutional republic.
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There is no reason to secularize schools? Even in a secular nation? So we should teach all religions as theory, or as fact?
I really don’t see the justification for people who are that picky about religions in education to be choosing to have children who they can’t afford to homeschool or privately educate. It seems quite entitled and like poor decision making and self victimization.
Bible study is what churches do on Sundays, not what schools do.
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@Amanda
Whether you want to send your children to a secularized school or not is you and your husband’s decision. How others want to educate their children is their decision.
Everything is not about you. You don’t have to agree, but for the sake of your conscience and your soul you should respect the rights of others. From what you wrote, it is apparent you don’t.
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Exactly, everything is not just about you or your religion of choice, which is why the US is a secular nation with secular schools.
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@Amanda
If you want your rights respected, you have to respect the rights of others. Yet look at what you just wrote. All you seem to care about is getting your own way, and your justification? You say it is a secular nation so you can imply majority support. Let’s assume you are right. Let’s assume we live in a secular nation, whatever that is. Does majority support justify majoritarian tyranny? Does the individual have any rights that the majority must respect?
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Precisely, if you want your rights respected then you have to afford all rights to be respected;
which is why secular nations observe the right to and FROM religions. This includes public schools. Its either teach all religions as theory (which public schools already do) or teach one religion as fact (which is obviously wrong) in which case it would be a private school, which unfortunately you do have to pay for (because if you’re willing to buy into a religion of course you’ll buy into unnecessary religion schools)
Secularism is not about majority vote of religions, it’s about freedom from religions.
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Freedom from religions? That sort of phrase is more appropriate to fascist and communist propagandists. How clever! With such word play you can twist the First Amendment until you can use it to attack the rights it was designed to protect.
Intolerance arises from intellectual discomfort. It is reassuring to live in world where everyone thinks alike. Of there are problems. When everyone thinks alike, we never have much reason to examine our life. Foreign ideas never troubles us enough to examine what we believe. That led Socrates to observe:
There is also another problem. To live in a world where everyone thinks alike, there has to be one person held up as the standard bearer, an Adolf Hitler, a Joseph Stalin, a Mao Zedong,….
In that fine example of a secular state, North Korea, they call their standard bearer The Dear Leader. North Korea is a miserable place. However, since you so much want freedom from religion, perhaps you would be more comfortable there.
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Do you not understand what secular means?
You cant force your religion of choice into public school to be taught as fact.
Are you saying we should teach all religions equally as the theories that they are? Because I’m not necessarily opposed to that.
But teaching one religion as fact over another religion in public school will absolutely never fly in the United States because all religions are equal, and currently and none of them apply to the state as the mandatory religion so they would all have to be present or none at all.
I don’t want freedom from religions because I already have freedom from religions, I’m an American.
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@Amanda
Nobody here suggested forcing religion into the public schools. No sensible parent would trust public officials to instruct their children in religion.
Teaching that all religions are equally valid is already done. That called multiculturalism. What is the only way all religions can be equally valid? None of them are valid. This is one way the public school system promotes a religious belief: secularism.
When America’s public schools were located in small towns and locally run, it still seemed practical to teach religion in public schools. That day is gone. However, we have other options. Rudy suggested one.
The overarching issue is school choice. Calling it “freedom from religion”, you would allow only your choice. You cannot see the hypocrisy of that? I suppose not, but you would not be the first person who insisted upon having their own way.
Intolerance of the beliefs of others is why few nations enjoy freedom of religion. Even in our own, we must constantly fight for it.
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Secularism is not a religious belief. That is flat out by definition incorrect.
What is your suggestion here ? If not teaching all religions as equal theory then what ?
Keep in mind it must be fair to all tax paying parents who’s kids go to public school, all of whom practice several different religions which no doubt deserve the same respect.
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@Amanda
If Secularism doesn’t pertain to religious belief, then what is the basis for your concern about freedom from religion?
Anyway, trying to explain what is self evident is a waste of time. You probably don’t believe Atheism is a religion either. 😕
If parents pick the school they send their children to, what that school teaches is between the school and the parents. If there is taxpayer funding involved, then I want the children to learn the 3R’s, but it is not my business or yours to design the entire curriculum.
You want your children to learn something different. Then pick a different school. If that is not fair, what is?
I drive a Honda Accord. I looked at what was being sold. That’s the car I liked. Doing this your way we would both be driving a Yugo. Is that your idea fair? Well, that is what you are insisting upon with respect to school choice.
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The basis is the right to be free from religions.
So do you mind answering my direct question?
Do you suggest implementing all religions taught as equal theories, or what is your suggestion?
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@Amanda
The term prejudice refers to having “an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge” (from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice). Even though I have already directly answered your question, you keep asking it. Why? Because of your prejudice, you insist you have the right to suppress the beliefs of others. Yet you have no logical basis for what you want. So you floundering about for an argument.
As I said, Secularism is a religious belief. Secularists, however, are not especially rational. If they were, the French Reign of Terror never would have happened. Why did the French Reign of Terror happen? It happened because secularists wanted to get their way, no matter what it cost others.
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I’m not sure if that was a personal attack on me but in case of any question, I am firmly against all religions. If criticising a belief I disagree with is prejudice, then call me guilty.
However, the point I’m trying to make is that secular nations respect the citizens rights TO religions and FROM religions, and these rights are respected equally out of fairness, as they should be.
So you cant answer the question then? It was very direct and in no way has been answered.
It seems like for as much conviction you have for this issue you should be able to easily answer the question.
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@Amanda
To paraphrase an old quote, I have the right to swing my fist so long as it does not connect with someone else’s nose.
We all have the right to be free from the unwanted interference of others, but we have to compromise. Others have just as much right to practice their beliefs as you have the right to be free from religion.
You don’t want to compromise? That’s the sort of indifference to the rights of others that motivates tyrants.
Note that I have not asked you a comparable question. It is fairly obvious that you don’t want parents sending their children to a school that teaches a religious belief. However, so long has the parents have the right to choose the school, I think they have that right, even if the school promotes Atheism. I am more concerned about my children receiving what I believe is a proper education than stopping someone else from trying to give their children what they believe is a proper education. I have confidence that in the end God wins.
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So you think your religion of choice should be taught? And as fact?
What about all the other tax paying parents and their religions? Should they be taught as well?
These are very important questions if you’re trying to implement material into curriculum.
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@Amanda
Do you understand the concept of school choice? Parents shop for a school they like. If they want a school that teaches multiculturalism and they can find such an abysmal farce, then they can send their children to it. I suspect most people would choose something more definitive.
In life we make compromises. We get what come closest to what we want and can afford. If the government runs it, we only get one choice. If the free market provides it, we get something closer to what we want.
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Hey, as long as my tax dollars aren’t funding a dime of it, knock yourself out.
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@Amanda
I would not dare spend your precious tax dollars forcing my religion on other people’s children. However, you want Secularism taught with other people’s taxpayer dollars. Then, to justify the hypocrisy of your position you scream that Secularism is not a religious belief. It is just factual.
How do you justify yourself? Arrogance is rather difficult to hide.
You are obviously so much smarter than the rest of us (the majority of the population in this “secular nation”. Hence any deceit is justified.
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Tom,
After reading the above link content, I believe I comprehend the words better.
“Forgive them, for they know not what they do.”
“vanity, all is vanity,”
However, Amanda’s comment about homeschooling has given me an inspiration to write a post about a comparison of Public, Private, and Homeschooling as to what could be an even better choice to enhance school vouchers choice, in my opinion.
Sometimes a heated exchange can bring out what people really think instead of what is hidden in their minds so as not to appear bias or violate Political correctness agendas.
That is another post subject.
Thank you Amanda and Tom.
Regards and good will blogging.
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Secularism is not taught, it just means separation between religions and state.
Secularism means all religions are equal and equally allowed.
Secular nation: A secular state is an idea pertaining to secularism, whereby a state is or purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion.
Secularism means keeping the right to all religions as well as protecting the right from religions.
If protecting the right to all religions as well as the right from all religions is arrogant, again, call me guilty.
It is not a “secular nation”, its just a secular nation. Legally speaking, not my opinion.
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@Amanda
Observe. Whatever we believe about God,
Even in a secular school, children wrestle with those questions. Even in a secular school they receive answers.
What you want children to LEARN is that God does not matter, and that is what is being taught in the public schools. In the public schools, children learn they must answer those four big questions using secularized answers. In public schools, children learn that God has no relevance to their public persona, and you clearly don’t want that changed. As you say, you want freedom from religion.
If government was neutral towards religious, it would not impose Secularism. In a free society, parents have control over the education of their children. In a free society, the state does not control what children learn. What you want is a secular society, not a free society. Imposing your religion is more important to you than the rights of others.
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The US government is neutral to all religions in respects to the rights to and from them.
“God” discussion is not banned from classrooms. That is not the same as organized religions.
Philosophy, religious studies, and spiritual studies already exist in public school curriculum.
Imposing religions is exactly what we’re talking about. Either we observe all religions as equals in schools (which we already do), or none at all. There is no fair way around this.
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@Amanda
So our government pressures parents to send their children to government-run schools because it is not imposing anything?
You are being a fraud. I can’t make you confess, but that’s not important. I just had to check your blog. I know what you think about the religious beliefs of others. You are happy about the imposition of Secularism. You flatly oppose parental choice because the public schools teach what you believe.
What is sad is that most Secularist don’t realize what they are taking from other people, the importance of the choice their parents might have had. Are one of those? I don’t know. I just know you are quite determined to have your own way.
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Parents certainly shouldn’t be pressured either way; but to be fair the government does not force parents to educate their children one way or another.
If people decide they want to have children, it is ultimately their responsibility to instill what they believe is a solid education for their children, and in many cases that requires significant financing.
The government has the responsibility to provide an education on the areas of the basic industries of the world so that they can function in society responsibly; selecting a religion should be done in adulthood once the individual has read up on religions and thought critically to make their own informed decision.
Again with the personal attacks, if supporting the secular structure of the nation in which I reside is fraud-like, by all means call me guilty as charged.
This is not MY way, it has nothing to do with ME or YOU; it’s about being fair to all taxpaying parents who can’t afford private or home schooling;
You haven’t answered my question, do all religions get taught or just one ?
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@Amanda
There is no right to an education. Parents have an obligation to educate their children, and the state has a responsibility to ensure parents fulfill their responsibilities. However, when the government starts taxing people to give other people “rights”, the government is violating the rights of the people it taxes; it is not protecting anyone’s rights. The government is just abusing its power when it arbitrarily pays for somebody’s education, but “it is for the children” isn’t exactly a new excuse for power grabbing politicians.
Hence, when you say this, you have may this YOUR way.
Effectively, you advocate abusing the power of government to impose Secularism upon other people’s children.
When are you going to let the obvious sink in? School choice is about what parents want for their children, not what you or I want for their children. Some parents will make choices either you or I don’t particularly like, but that is what happens in a free country. If you and I want to preserve the freedom to make our own choices, we have to let others exercise their choices. Clearly, you are not ready to do that.
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Tax paying parents in the US are Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Mormon, Hindu.. So is what you are saying that all of these, and inevitably more, should be taught ?
Or are you saying that only YOUR religion of choice should be taught ?
Secularism is imposed upon everyone, it’s the law, because no one should have to follow or study any religions if they don’t want to, nor should their children have to if they dont want them to.
If you don’t like the laws in the country, then perhaps move elsewhere before choosing to reproduce, because the majority of voters disagree with you and have for some time.
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@Amanda
Your bigotry is showing.
Your religion is being imposed. This is government policy, but there is no moral, legal, or practical justification for it. It is primarily yet another example of good intentions gone awry because some used their “good intentions” as excuse to abuse government power.
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Bigotry toward what ?
Secularism protects ALL religions, not just the one you choose to practice.
What I said is 100% factual.
So are you going to answer the question?
I dont personally practice a religion, so I’m not sure what you meant by my religion being imposed.
You cant just call a law a religion because you disagree with it based on your religion of choice.
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What law contains the word secularism?
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I just asked a question. I’m no longer answering questions until mine are answered.
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First amendment of the United States:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Thomas Jefferson said “separation from church and state”, and no progressive, free country would have it any other way.
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I don’t see the word secularism in your reply. You should read up on Jefferson reservations and when he made that statement and later said.
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I have never claimed the word secular was in the law.
The USA is secular.
The word secular defines US law.
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I respectfully disagree with your assumption.
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Then I respectfully rest my case.
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@Amanda
We are not making any progress at this point. You are just making unsupported assertions and denials.
This would be funny if you were not serious.
The blatant interference of Secularists in education promotes Secularism, and you call that protecting religion. As it is, instead of being funny, it’s Orwellian.
Anyway, there are plenty of good books out there. If you really want to understand history, read the classics or the books that were best sellers in their day. If you only read text books, you will only understand and believe what some politician thinks you should believe. Here are some suggestions => https://citizentom.com/citizen-library/.
The Bible, of course, is essential for understanding Western Civilization, but until you realize how little you can explain without God, I doubt you will appreciate it. Meanwhile, it might help if you understand that our civilization exists as it does because some people pursued happiness by striving for virtue.
What changed after Jesus Christ? A fellow named G. K. Chesterton observed that Christians added four virtues that the pagans had not considered: Faith, Hope, Love, and Humility.
May our Lord be with you.
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No progress is made because I’ve asked the same questions repeatedly with no answer or acknowledgment at all.
May your lord and all lords continue staying far away from me.
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@Amanda
We may not respect each others choices, but God takes note of what we want.
If that is your wish, God will respect it. Hell is a place we put our self, a place without God. That is in fact the reason Christians believe in freedom of religion. Nothing is gained by force. We cannot substitute force for love. To gain salvation, we must choose to repent of our sins and trust in the salvation offered by Jesus. Any pretense is meaningless. God knows.
So be careful what you wish for. You are all too likely to get what you desire.
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So will you answer whether you think all religions should be taught in schools or just a few or just one ?
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@Amanda
There is an old joke. I am sure you have heard it. It goes like this: “Are you still beating your wife?”
I answered your question. Because it does not fit with your desires, you can’t hear the answer. Nothing I can do about that.
Even Jesus, when He preached, could not reach everyone. When we have a hard heart, our eyes do not see, our ears do not hear.
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Typical theist tactic of distract divert deflect deny.
People who have a valid justification for their extraordinary claims (in your case that religions – which ones, still unanswered – should be taught in schools – as fact or theory, still unanswered) dont need to rely on tactics or fluff or jokes to back up their claims, they just do it as simply, honestly, and to the point as possible.
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@Amanda
🙄
I said I favor school choice. I said parents should choose what their children learn and who teaches their children. Yet because you insist upon controlling what children learn about religion, it seems I must have the same desire. That desire is there, but it is wrong to give into it. Parents have the right to pass on their beliefs to their children.
How we get into such a ridiculous state? How do we get ourselves into state where we cannot actually see other people or hear what they are saying? It has to do with the point-of-view we adopt. If I think my point-of-view is the only one that matters, then I don’t give much consideration to what others think. In fact, I project my own motivations upon others. On the other hand, if I think God’s point-of-view is what matters, then I try to see what God’s sees. Of course, God is God so I cannot see what God sees, but I can try to put myself into other people’s shoes. I can empathize with other people. I can even imagine that they might be more nobler than I am.
Each of us is unique. We each have our own beliefs. So there is a point where projecting our own motives onto another person does not work. Instead, we need to see other people, and we need to listen to them. Sometimes we even need to learn from them.
Anyway, I have a busy day tomorrow. So good night!
@Scatterwisdom
Thank you for hosting our discussion.
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But HOW does each and every parent provide their own religion of choice to their child through public school, when there are so many religions?
By teaching all religions ?
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@Amanda
Interesting. What do you think scatterwisdom was talking about when he mentioned school vouchers?
Is it possible you really don’t know what school choice is? If you only partake of Liberal Democrat news sources, I suppose it is possible. The Liberal Democrat news media can be amazingly biased.
If parents have a decent size voucher (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voucher), one that they can use at any school they choose (government would have to define some limits to prevent fraud), do you really think most parents will choose to send their children to public schools? Many if not most will prefer private schools. So once the vouchers are available, private interests will set up new, private schools. That will force public schools to compete. That reaction might even cause some parents to choose to keep their children in public schools.
Check out => https://www.edchoice.org/who-we-are/our-legacy/the-friedmans-on-school-choice/. Milton Friedman was a very smart man. He proposed what you see on that web site in 1955. The education establishment has been fighting school choice tooth and nail ever since, but the idea is slowly catching on. My guess is that historians will call school choice the civil rights issue of the 21st century.
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@Tom, Amanda
Great link. Wish more people would read and consider. In Chicago, private Catholic Schools have over the years diminished because of poor neighborhood residents could not afford tuition and the burden on more wealthy parishes grew to great to subsidize the poorer parishes.
When I state diminished, the number of private schools in Chicago was. And still is significant.Today, it is not only religious motivations, many A because of fear and quality of Chicago Public Schools.
There are 33,619 private schools in the United States, serving 5.4 million PK-12 students. Private schools account for 25 percent of the nation’s schools and enroll10 percent of all PK-12 students. Most private school students (79 percent) attend religiously-affiliated schools (see table 2 of the PSS Report)
https://www.google.com/search?q=statitistics+of+puble+vs+private+schools+in+chicago&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS786US786&oq=statitistics+of+puble+vs+private+schools+in+chicago+&aqs=chrome..69i57.19082j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
One cannot help but consider if school vouchers might help reduce the 84 shootings in first seven days of May with nine dead including innocent children bystanders.
Sad..
Amanda,
We need the Supreme Court to provide a definition of religion for me to answer your question if every religion should be taught. If interested why, check out my series of posts in this link.
https://rudymartinka.com/2017/07/12/king-solomon-time-to-outlaw-an-islam-religion-practice-post-eleven-conclusion/
Regards and good will blogging.
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And who is paying for all these vouchers?
And who’s paying for all religions to be available in schools in all communities?
And for new teachers to be hired for every single religion and school in every community and town and state in the country?
To answer your question, I think in the current US, probably most people would still send them to public school, maybe a good chunk would choose religious schools, but certainly it would not be the majority.
But to be fair, this post is about public school, not private schools.
Even if the majority were to choose religion schools, the very essence of education would change course forever at that point and it seems like a slippery slope.
When did libraries and churches stop being the places for studying and practicing religions ?
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@Amanda
If you consider every child born will be subsidized by taxpayers to pay for their education through highschool. Every child then will become a taxpayer when they mature and work for a living on their own.
The better their education is, the more likely they will earn more and pay higher taxes over the rest of their lives. That serves to be a wash on the amount their parents paid in taxes.
The better their morals, both secular and religious, the less likelihood they will wind up in jail and be a burden to taxpayers.
To answer your question, it makes no difference if taxes are used for vouchers to pay a parents choice of a public or privates school..
It also makes no difference if a teacher works in a private or public school. If they are needed and paid for their teaching skills, their salaries will average out over time.
As for who pays for religious teachers, it the same. There may be difference of plus or minuses in subjects taught.
Personally, I would rather have my kid taught religious values and morality instead of study hall and have the study hall time be homework time instead of TV..
Frankly, I believe school vouchers will create competition for better schools same a competition in markets provide better service.
As for library’s and churches, they will be available to whoever uses them for their personal choices same as always.
As fir slippery slope, in my opinion, the direction will change from our present downward direction and go up, up, up, and away both in our time on earth and in heaven. (oops forgot you dont believe in heaven.. Ever wonder what happens to you if it truns out there is a heaven and someone other than a human created the perfect world we live in, except for human failings.
Regards and good will blogging.
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@Amanda
“And who is paying for all these vouchers?”
Milton Friedman was an economist. I think he had that figured out.
Who is paying for the public schools? Taxpayers, of course.
Will “new” money be required? No. Supposedly, the object of taxing people to pay for the education of children is to pay for the education of children, not to pay for public schools, whether they are used or not. If parents are given vouchers that are only three fourths the cost of educating a child in the public schools, and significant numbers of parents use them, taxpayers will realize a cost savings.
The rest of your comment makes very little sense. School choice is about letting parents choose, not you or me. Please study the concept of school choice and educational vouchers.
Why should I answer something as silly as this?
“When did libraries and churches stop being the places for studying and practicing religions?”
Don’t you know that the great universities of Western Civilization had their beginnings as places where members of the clergy learned theology. These are the places where people began to understand what it meant to have a classical education.
The Christian beginnings of the great universities includes America’s universities. America’s oldest and most venerated colleges, Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth were founded by the Puritans.
When we believe in the God of the Bible, we live to glorify, praise, and thank God. That includes loving and caring about our neighbors. If that bothers you, that’s a strange sort of personal problem.
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Well said. Unfortunately, I doubt you will convince Amanda Secularism is a religion. It should be obvious. All a secular state requires — all the First Amendment says — is that we not use our government to impose our beliefs. When a secular government starts REQUIRING a secular education, we no longer have a secular state. Instead, we have a government that is being used to impose Secularism, a belief that has made a religious ideology of out of the denial of God. Unfortunately, I fear Amanda is more determined to impose her beliefs than she is to know the truth. Sad.
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Tom,
Amanda has probably been brainwashed in a liberal college. She as well as most liberals when challanged, do what I read in an opinion today which seems to me to fairly well fit the pattern of most liberals.
“they change the rules, redefine the language, and dumb down the argument.”
Someday perhaps, Amanda will get old and wise and recognizes what most young brainwashed find out in time. Usually when their children grow up.
Regards and goodwill blogging
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I agree. Some how or another I became a Christian — in my fifties, but better late than never.
Just a suggestion. “Brainwashed” is one of those words liberals have twisted. Liberal Democrat colleges indoctrinate their students; they don’t brainwash them. They may punish them by forcing them to take courses designed to reeducate them, but they don’t brainwash them.
Brainwashing is what the communists did to our POWs. Brutal stuff. Our Liberal Democrat colleges have not yet quite got to that point. However, if we don’t restore our republic, that sort of thing is in our children’s future.
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Just anotherBrainwash vz misunderstood term I had no experience with to be able to discern in the proper context. In other words a liberal misconception on my part.
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Secularism is not a belief because it has nothing to do with one religion or the other or any religious belief at all, it just means that people have freedom to ANY religion and from any religion.
I’m not sure if you missed it but I copied and pasted the definition of secular nations previously. It is by definition not in any way a religion, if you need me to I can post the definition of religion?
My personal beliefs or lack thereof have nothing to with the law that protects the rights to and from religions.
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Tom,
Check out my latest reply to Amanda to explain she has a secular philosophy. She has probably been taught in a liberal school and confused about the First Amendment, same as millions of liberals, in my opinion,
Regards
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Amanda,
I believe you are confused with the term secularism, You have a secular philosophy and believe your philosophy applies to USA Constitution and Laws.
For example, your statement below of “as well as protecting the right from religions” is your personal understanding of what you believe it to be. Many liberals are confused on this point.
You said.
“Secularism means keeping the right to all religions as well as protecting the right from religions.”
The First Amendment does not state anything about protecting right from religion.
If you google Secularism in the USA, there are numerous articles which explain how the Constitution founders believed in God. Secular Humanists consider their beliefs to be a religion.
The cause of your confusion is because the Supreme Court has never defined what a religion is. And that is why you and many others, think the First Amendment to imply your philosophy of secularism.
The founders believed that our Country, if guided by the Biblical precepts of wisdom and love for each other morals helps bring about order, justice, peace and prosperity,
Most Religion does not harm anyone, or give them cause they need to be protected from religion.
However, Muslim writings lend certain beliefs toward being a political entity rather than a religion, and that is why I believe we need a definition of religion to end the confusion about the Frist Amendment.
Historical religious abuses were never the fault of God, but of human failings.
Regards and good will blogging.
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Are you suggesting that the theory creationism should be taught as fact in United States schools ?
According to your religion of choice, or which religion? All of them ?
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I prefer never to agree or disagree with any theory of mankind unless it is a proven theory. No one knows for certain other than someone not human designed the perfect balance of our natural world.
Do you believe there is a human or God that had the power to set off big bang,
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So should we teach the theory of creation as theory or as fact ?
And should we teach all religions or none ?
Personally, I’m not a creationist nor do I necessarily accept the theory of the big bang as fact;
They are both theories, and I respect them as such.
And you personally?
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King Solomon, Abortion, Genesis, Allegory or Fact?
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King Solomon, Abortion, Genesis, Allegory or Fact? (U/D)
Check this post on my blog and I believe you will surmise my beliefs.
Regards and good will blogging
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Do you agree or disagree that all religions should be taught equally in schools? Or should only one be taught in schools?
This is a very important and pertinent question to this topic.
The United States law currently respects all religions as equal, so if any one of them is implemented in public school, then all of them will and should be.
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That does not appear to be all men created equal fair and equitable education for everyone who pays school taxes and has no choice what can or should be taught to their kids
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Reblogged this on Citizen Tom and commented:
We live in a time when large numbers of Americans seem to have forgotten something that should be obvious. What we believe makes a difference. Based upon how we view the world, we decide what we want to do with our lives.
How do we view the world? That depends upon how we answer four questions.
There has been a lot of talk about school shootings. Some devious people have even played games with the statistics (see => https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/02/16/how-many-school-shootings-in-2018/). Even so, most of us know better. So as a practical matter we each have chosen to give the matter of school shooting an inordinate amount of attention. Why? I don’t have a good answer. All I can say for certain is that gun control advocates have seized upon school shootings to justify taking everyone’s guns.
I am not big fan of guns. I have nothing in particular against them either. Guns are just tools. Like any other tool, we can use a gun appropriately, or can use it to abuse another human being. So I find it strange when people want to blame guns for the violence some people do with guns. I think how each of us answers those four big questions matters more. I think what we each believe matters more than whether we own a gun.
So check out Rudy’s post. Then consider where your child goes to school. What is you your child learning about the answer to those four questions? Is your child learning learning life us all about “me”, or is your child learning to love God above all else and his neighbor as he loves himself?
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Excellent insight. We have separated out moral education entirely. I don’t think that is what the Constitution had in mind. On top of that we have created and glorified a culture of violence. We are reaping what we have sown. Very sad!
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Tom, Amanda
Thanks for your exchange of ideas.
It amazes me how the words of the First Amendment has been interpreted over time from the “ separation of church and state” to “freedom from religion.”
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Yet Congress did make a law that all children must attend school even if they cannot afford to pay the cost. The cost to be paid by taxpayers for a Government Administered School System that has become so costly to average taxpayers that they cannot afford to choose to send their kids to a private religious school,.
In other words, the government has “prohibited” the free exercise of religion by making the cost of public schools so costly as to make it unaffordable “cost prohibitive,”for parents to choose and pay for a religious education.
One really has to understand the progression in USA history to comprehend how this travesty, in my opinion, evolved from a Right into a Government Run Educational Bureaucracy that fails to teach basic concepts of human morality to children, in my opinion,
School vouchers are the solution, in my opinion.
Regards and good will blogging.
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Good post! Schools shootings are a heart issue, not a gun one. That’s interesting too that there have been no shootings at private schools. You’d think the so called experts would take notice of this and do due diligence on finding out why, The answer would make some feel very uncomfortable.
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They, as well as all of us, deserve to feel uncomfortable, to have allowed teaching morality to the youth of our nation to digress in education, in my opinion,
Regards and good will blogging.
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Agreed.
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