Does God test animals same as humans?
The Chicago Tribune contained, Humans Are Destroying Animals’ Ancestral Knowledge, to report an Ed Jong Conservationist finding when humans restrict animal migration corridors, we erase their memory and their population declines.
“The corridor exists in the minds of these animals. If you sever it (their pathway) with a highway and then reserve it with an overpass, the animals wouldn’t immediately start using it again, because they wouldn’t automatically have the memory of it. They’d need to relearn.”
The Purpose of This Post….
….is to compare the similarity of this finding with the wisdom of an ancient Ecclesiastes comparison of humans and animals.
You decide if the reasoning comparison is similar, and/or a contributing factor to the decline of religion in the USA.
King Solomon, Ecclesiastes 3
18 I also said to myself, “As for humans, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath[c]; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”
What’s My Point?
In previous posts, I explained my opinions that average Americans cannot afford to send their children to private religious schools because the tax burden maintaining public schooling has become so expensive that average families cannot afford to pay both public school cost and private religious school costs.
The comparison restricting animals’ pathways will cause the loss of learned memory of the pathways to the animals reminded me of our current loss of religious learning taking place in the USA.
In other words, while we are concerned about animal loss of memory by human restrictions we do not seem as concerned about human’s loss of memory of religion because of economic restrictions of American family’s loss of ability to pay for private schools to teach their children religion because they have high taxation to pay for public schools and cannot pay for both.
Three thousand years ago, wise King Solomon had thoughts to wonder if God tests the fates of both human and animals. We know for certain that conservation has protected many animal species from extinction. We also know from human history that there have been dark age periods of humans such as wars, diseases, and learning that contributed to the extinction of innumerous humans.
Yet, somehow new generations of humans continue to come into view, in a similar way that earths’ aurora and the stars in the universe kept reappearing even in the dark ages of civilization.
Religious orders during the dark ages served as conservationists to protect the Bible during the dark ages and even in spite of periods of human failings in the history of the benefits of religion and beliefs of a Creator and judgement after death, religion continues to exist in every generation since the beginning of humankind, yet many animals’ species have become extinct.
In My Opinion,
We need to conserve teaching religion to our offspring and preserve the good results that occur when people believe in religious teachings of morals, and a judgement after death.
School vouchers will help preserve the diminishment of learning religious morals in the USA. We need to end building economic roadblocks in order to conserve religion from extinction same as animals’ fate.
In other words, if religion becomes extinct in the USA, we will more likely fail to pass the tests of judgement of our Creator, as history has proven over time and generations ever since King Solomon observed and recorded his observations and advice to help us “wise up,” and conserver our already learned Ancestral Knowledge to help us from repeating the same follies of past generations and dark ages.
If Interested
Read the article and previous posts on school vouchers in the Source Links Below along with my comment about Thanksgiving Day 2018
You Decide,
Conserving Ancestral Knowledge of Religion, to help humans preserve knowledge to help them past test to determine their eternal fate, wise or foolish?
Regards and good will blogging.
Atlantic Article.
Previous Posts
https://rudymartinka.com/2018/07/10/king-solomon-who-why-and-where-chicago-conundrum/
https://rudymartinka.com/2018/05/22/king-solomon-guns-cultures-schools-real-truth-clue/
Rudy u Martinka 
What’s wrong with “teaching” religion on days when there is no school? Like “Sun day School? or at home? I mean, on one end public education dissenters favor home schooling.. well, isn’t it a natural fit to home school religion to the family’s belief system? I do not understand the “problem” here.
I was under the impression that this charter school thing was to allow for families to defer their education tax in order to pay for charter schooling.
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Doug, you stated,
“What’s wrong with “teaching” religion on days when there is no school? Like “Sunday School? or at home? I mean, on one end public education dissenters favor home schooling. well, isn’t it a natural fit to home school religion to the family’s belief system? I do not understand the “problem” here. I was under the impression that this charter school thing was to allow for families to defer their education tax in order to pay for charter schooling.”
I am not familiar with your above statements or whether that is a California thing. Charter schools in Illinois teach the same public-school curriculum as non-charter schools.
There is a difference in curriculum being taught in public vs. private schools. If a person does not agree with a public-school curriculum, US Courts have decided they should send their kids to a private school. However, most people cannot afford to pay even though they will pay mandatory taxes for the rest of their lives for public schooling.
In other words, since US Supreme Court forbids religion from being taught in public schools, and the first Amendment states it is Right to have religious freedom, there is a conflict when government makes it economically impossible for people to teach their children religious values parents want taught to their children.
A religious curriculum differs from a secular curriculum in that it does not include beliefs to relate to God’s morals, behaviors, and examples religious parents want taught to their children.
The effect is that freedom of religion is restricts a parents’ Rights to teach their children on a daily basis what they value their children should learn and emulate while they are in their childhood. They pay for schools with their taxes, why restrict them from obtaining their choice of education for their children?
There never was any obligation to teach children in the Constitution.
Regards and good will blogging.
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For whatever it’s worth, here’s a link to “charter schools” and the definitions vary widely.
https://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/charter-schools/index.html
Public schools are financed from tax dollars and the system is presumed to be for the general public good and welfare of the nation in order to unify and standardize learning on a national basis. that was about 1918. Otherwise various regions, states, would by nature of their own preferences would have had widely different graduates where some students would be of greater educational advantage over others. Makes perfect sense. And, yes, everybody pays taxes so even parents without kids have to pay toward public education. If parents choose to include religion with their child’s math then it’s appropriate they pay a third party, a parochial school. But they still pay for public education because THAT is not elective given all people pay.. kids or no kids, as it’s a public good.
Yes.. we have freedom of religion for sure.. but not the freedom to IMPOSE religion in a required public classroom setting upon students reflecting a wide religious demographic.
Again I make the point… simply teach the family religion at home or at church. What’s the problem with that?
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Doug
Think about your statement and who is imposing on who.
“When tow parents with different opinions must pay taxes ti pay the same taxes to obtain only one choice of schooling, which parent is being imposed upon.
Regards and good will blogging.
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@Doug
Stupid computer. Hit the return key and the comment posted. Sigh!
Anyway, it occurred to me that I should address this comment to Doug. So I suppose it is just as well my keyboard burped.
That passage from Ecclesiastes 3 should include verse 16.
The phrase “under the sun” indicates that Solomon is seeing life from the world’s perspective, not from the perspective of a believer who has put his faith in God.
So let’s look at the whole thing using a different translation.
Instead of God, this passage speaks of a time when Solomon relied upon his heart, a human heart (verse 18). Until we learn to lean upon God’s understanding, our hearts are wicked things. Unless we are raised as believers in God, the Creator in whose image we were made, we tend to see ourselves as mere animals. If that belief is true, that we are just animals, then so be it, but do you know that it is, Doug. No? So who are you to interfere with what parents want to teach their children? What is more important, the money of the children?
You say that that money belongs to the taxpayers? Well, that is only true after our government takes it from us. After our government has our money, it seems to belong to wily politicians, and nobody trusts politicians. Only the very unwise would prefer to have politicians, instead of parents deciding what children should learn.
Think of it this way. What parent would not prefer to have the money to send their children to a school that they picked instead of politicians? Politicians know best? You really like Trump? You want his bureaucracy to set national educational standards?
Is there actually any reason politicians have to run the schools? Private organization can’t do it better and less expensively? You know they can. So why twist the arms of parents and make them pay twice so that they can send their children to schools they chose? Because makes perfect sense? If private companies can work together to come up with standardized Internet protocols, I think educators can manage a similar trick.
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Well, Tom.. politicians are here to stay so not much you can do there. I’m not sure how many of them are getting rich at the taxpayer’s expense serving in elected office. I’m not sure how many have the keys to the Treasury to make a withdrawl at will. In any event… whether it’s public education or pick & choose-where-your-money-goes education, it’s going to have to be regulated in some fashion to assure integrity of standards to a national uniformity for the national good. It can’t just be a willy-nilly educational system.
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@Doug
There is a vast difference between government regulating and running anything.
If state and local government just regulated the education of children, the could easily do that without secularizing the education of children. As it is, the public education seriously interferes with religious freedom, and it is hypocritical to ignore that.
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As I said, teach religion at home or at church. What’s the problem with that?
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Doug,
Why should they have to, is the question you keep evading to answer. It is their tax dollars after all.
Keep in mind school curriculums are different when one school system is prohibited from teaching religious values.
Instead of government imposed secular values which the parent’s object may be objectionable to their religious values.
Regard sand good will blogging.
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@Doug
When we — everyone — send our children and grandchildren to a public school, we send them to be taught by people we did not pick things we don’t believe. Therefore, when our children come home, we now have figure out what they were taught, correct what we believe wrong and teach them what they should have learned. That includes values and morals from “authority” figures we may not think should be in authority over anyone.
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Tom
Great comment. Reminds me of an old idioms when dealing with people giving you instructions you do not agree with..
“Who put you in charge?”
Or,
“Who died and made you boss?”
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You replied to this comment.
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Tom,
My sentiments exactly. except I am “amazed” instead of “disgusted” at the “foolishness” I read about.
Every once and a while I slip up and use the word “stupid”when I read something really really stupid like voter Id methods used in our supposedly modern technol Nation.
When I am totality amazed, I sometimes use the word “Neanderthal”
I never have been described by any teachers as being super intelligent, but reading some liberal opinions of esteemed intelligent scholars, I consider it to have been a compliment when I read the supposed intelligent opinions on newscast.s
Oh well,
Regards and good will blogging.
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Simple, Tom.. get involved with the school district and with your kids’ teachers to help promote/formulate curriculum, and to keep tabs on what the teachers are teaching. You keep badgering me about getting specific to illustrate why Trump is so bad.. how about you providing some specifics on how you think government “intervention” in what your children are being taught is so contrary to what you want your kids to learn.
Here’s an example in being involved. When my oldest boy was in a lower grade he came home one day noticeably upset about something at school. When I asked what the problem was he told me that the teacher had a two-day class exercise where she divided the class up into “A” people and “B” people. No particular separation based on anything.. not gender, not height, not skin color.. just a random separation into two groups. Then she said that the “A” people could only do certain things.. use a certain drinking fountain… the rest room down the hall rather than the one closest to the classroom, and other normal daily routine things which seemed to favor one group over the other. As my son explained that I immediately saw that the teacher was illustrating to the kids the concept of segregation and discrimination. The reason it was a two day exercise is that the groups reversed on the second day to allow for both groups to experience one side or the other. My son’s group, the “B” group, to be discriminated against was on day two. Now, it seemed that the teacher was not depriving either group of anything that would have been any sort of health and welfare issue… things like one group could talk and chew gum while the other group had to keep quiet and do work assignments… recess was five minutes longer for the “elite” group.. etc. As I recall this was either 5th or 6th graders.. so the age seemed ok as it pertained to a higher level exercise of this nature.
Well, when my son’s group[ was the ones being “discriminated against” he came home truly upset at the way his group was treated as compared to the other group. He said things were “unfair” and the teacher shouldn’t have done one thing or the other. My son is normally sensitive to things like that in general so he came home disturbed over this. It didn’t bother him the previous day when he was the elite group. I “de-programmed” him and all was well. But I asked to meet with the teacher. I conveyed to her the following.
I had no issue with the exercise in general and actually thought it was a good out-of-the-box endeavor on the part of the teacher. But…
1. An exercise of this importance should have included parents being notified in order to allow monitoring of their child’s response after school… and for simple followup with their child to include they fully understood the concept of what they were being shown.
2. Said parental notification should have included a synopsis of some sort to convey to the parent the goal of the exercise and the outline of the after-exercise class discussion. In other words, include the parent in the process.
Teacher agreed with me and said she would do that next time. But here’s the rest-of-the-story to this… of a class of 23 kids I was the ONLY parent who took notice and got involved at all.
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Doug,
In a private religious school, this verse is taught almost daily to students.
Do unto others as you would want done to you,
Understand this verse does not entail any parents to become upset with teachers dividing up A and B groups.
Sadly, a public school teacher could get fired in a public school if he gave the same advice under government guidelines especially if a atheist parent heard that was told to thier kid.
Regards and good will blogging.
N
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@Doug
What does it mean to live in a free country? So long as we don’t infringe upon each others rights, we can do things our own way. That includes how we educate our children.
So what is your “simple” solution? I become Doug and do it Doug’s way. I don’t want be Doug. It is presumptuous of you to suggest such a thing.
Seriously! Think about what you are suggesting. We have a monopolistic public school system. If I want my children educated as Christians, taught by people who believe the Bible, I have to fork out lots of money both to educate my own children and to educate other people’s children so that other people’s children can have a “free” defective, government-run education.
Why do I call that education defective?
1. Our public schools promote worldly values. Instead of being taught to glorify God by serving others, thinking of their work as an act of worship, the public schools promote careerism in children.
2. The public schools teach things about Christianity that are not true: religion starts wars, all religions are equally valid, Jesus did not do anything important, and so forth.
3. The public schools promote “isms” that I don’t want my children indoctrinated to believe: environmentalism, multiculturalism, Socialism, moral relativism, and so forth.
4. The public schools are the domain of politically active labor government employees unions whose politics I find abhorrent. Why would I want to fund the political agenda of these unions?
5. Politicians sell access to our children. Political activists want to indoctrinate the next generation. Given the opportunity, these activists will have — already have — many of our children worshipping stuff, sex, state, and self.
What does your suggestion amount to in practice? Let’s say I want a new car. Let’s say I want a Ford. Unfortunately, the closest dealership in town sells GM. Do you think I should go to the GM dealership and demand that they tell GM to build a car just for me that is a replica of that Ford model I want? Or do you think I ought to drive a few more miles and visit the Ford dealership? What if GM really did stand for Government Motors?
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Ohh.. boy, Tom. There’s a lot of religious radicalism in there. You want a theocratic America. More power to you. You certainly have no religious tolerance.
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@Doug
It is “tolerant” to insist that everyone except the rich educate their children your way? Seriously?
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You fancy yourself tolerant, but why?
Christians invented religious tolerance. A more appropriate way to express it would be religious forbearance. Multiculturalism is just stupid. It is people whose persons we are suppose to respect, not beliefs we think wrong. Why would you want to pretend you respect an idea you think untrue?
All the major religions claim to be the exclusive way to God. Therefore, the only way all religions can be equally valid is that they are all equally wrong. That’s why multiculturalism pleases Secularists, and that’s why Conservatives think multiculturalism is politically correct nonsense.
As I said, it is hypocritical to twist parents’ arms, take their money from them, and then offer to educate their children for “free”.
First our government insists people give up their money. Then the bureaucrats tempt us to give up our principles. Finally the politicians give our children the full benefits of political indoctrination and crow about their tolerance.
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Politicians are politically indoctrinating the children through public education?? To what end? More to the point, what politicians?? Buddy, I gotta say… you are sounding like you are truly miserable living in this country.
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@Doug
To what end? Look who donates money to the Democratic Party. This is not rocket science. You have never heard of teacher unions?
My delegate to the Virginia General Assembly is a man who has had himself mutilated to become a “woman”. He outspent his opponent by hundreds of thousands of dollars. Lots of his money and volunteers came from LGBT activists. He thinks his crazy ideas about sex should be taught to 5-year olds.
You are not showing me how I am wrong. You are attacking me personally. Am I bad because I don’t believe what you believe? What’s your excuse? I don’t break any laws. I pay my taxes, even for those public schools I think an awful idea.
This is what tolerance is about? Instead of attacking what you think is a bad idea, you attack the person? Well, if that is what you think, you are dead wrong, not a worse human being than me, just dead wrong. Your idea of tolerance is a logical fallacy, ad hominem.
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Ugh. I’m not attacking you personally, I’m feeling for you personally. You feel how you feel,
Tom.. all I am doing is observing from a distance, which all I can do is speculate given I have no idea in this medium anyone’s particular sincerity or cyber-schtick for kicks and grins. I generally accept folks in here for how they represent themselves.. and from your last few responses to me about religion and education you seem pretty conflicted. You feel the world around you is surrendering to some part of Satan and likely nothing I will say will even remotely convince you otherwise. For all I know you think I’m part of the greater conspiracy. You seem to carry a fatalistic view of the world around you.. and that’s simply not my thing.
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@Doug
I do believe Satan exists, but I don’t know his role in this matter. You introduced him to the conversation.
Is there a conspiracy? Truth be told I have not spoken of anything so theatrical. I have just spoken of things we can both observe. Meanwhile, you have changed the subject from what we were discussing to me. If you still had confidence in the merits of your arguments you would not be doing that.
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Doug,
Have you ever investigated the Chicago Shool ratings of various school districts, you will find some really “willee nilly ” educational systems being financed by public funds obtained thourgh Government taxation.
While at the same time, the Government Charter Schools, limit enrollment because everyone wants to enter them rather than the f”willy nilly spublic schools.
All because the the majority of private religious schools had to shut down for lack of funds,
No school choices available for parents except to send theri kids to the willy nilly government run public schools “regulated” by government.
Crime rates in these poor school choice areas is usually higher for some “willy nilly ” reason..
Regards and good will blogging.
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good point, but of greater important Rudy, what is the mind being filled with on a daily basis, example doesn’t have borders, and neither do our neighbors, perhaps, if there was more empathy in the world, how easy for everyone, thanks
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Great post sir, keep them coming!
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Thank you.
Regards and good will blogging.
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Just an observation.
That quote from
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