on the faces of your children?
In a previous post titled, Soulless in Chicago, I expressed my opinion that School Vouchers to be a viable long-term solution for Chicago communities faced with gangland killings.
The Purpose of This Post
Is to bring to attention a 2008 essay written by an atheist about what he observed in Missionary areas in Africa to present a hopeful pragmatic option to help reduce Chicago gang killings?
The location of Africa to the predominate black poverty areas in Chicago is not intended to be a bigoted comparison of black communities in the USA. Rather it is a comparison of what an atheist wrote in an essay of what he observed on the looks on the faces he observed in Africa who were taught Christianity precepts of wisdom and love.
King Solomon
Who is like the wise?
Who knows the explanation of things?
A person’s wisdom brightens
their face
and changes its hard appearance.
(Ecclesiastes 8:1)
Excerpt – Ecclesiastes by Phil Ryken
“It is true that godly wisdom makes a difference in the way people look.”
To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. (Proverb 1:6)
Excerpt – Gils Bible Commentary
the words of the wise, and their dark sayings; the words and doctrines, not of the wise philosophers and sages of the Heathen world, but of men truly wise and good; and especially of the wise inspired writers of the Scriptures, whose words come from one Shepherd,
What’s My Point?
I have written numerous posts to support school vouchers to allow parents to choose religious values be taught to their children rather than the government mandated curriculum that does not permit religious values and morals to be taught in public schools.
I have presented an argument that present public schools’ costs have evolved over time to be the highest tax item on average homeowner’s tax bills. And most parents cannot afford to choose to send their children to private religious schools because they cannot afford to pay for both private and public education.
My point is the USA government founders were mainly Christians who established the First Amendment Rights to allow freedom of religion.
Government later passed laws to establish public schools and mandate education for all children, Parents could choose to send their children to either public or privates schools. Over time public schools have become so costly that most parents can not afford to send their children to private religious schools to be taught their religious values. and also be required to pay taxes to fund public schools.
Without religious values, many children become involved in gang activities and may become involved in criminal and immoral activities.
In My Opinion
We need school vouchers to allow private religious schools to be an affordable to allow parents to choose their religious values of their choice.
While public schools do not teach witchcraft per se, some recent mandated government laws being passed to teach secular sexual values are borderline to what King Solomon described as dark sayings in the above proverb.
If Interested
Read the previous post and related information in the Source Links Below. /
You Decide
Would you send your child to a private religious school if you could afford to especially if you lived in a high-risk crime area with questionable quality public school ratings?
Would the looks on Chicago children living in high crime poverty areas and every other area look brighter in the USA if they were taught Christianity according to an atheist’s observation.
The same proverbial observation of King Solomon 3000 years ago?
Regards and goodwill blogging.
Source Links
Atheist Essay
https://www.hopeinview.org/files/As_an_atheist_I_truly_believe_Africa_needs_God–Matthew_Parris.pdf
King Solomon, Soulless in Chicago
https://rudymartinka.com/2019/10/03/king-solomon-soulless-in-chicago/
Gils Bible Commentary
“My point is the USA government was based on Christian First Amendment Rights of freedom of religion but has evolved over time to make it economically impossible for most parents to afford to choose to send their children to private religious schools ”
The First Amendment has nothing to do with Christianity. It was put into place so the government couldn’t have a state religion, including any of the many sects of Christianity. Why do you try to claim it is “Christian”?
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clubschadenfreude
Thank you for your comment. After reading your comment, I can see your point. I edited my post to hopefully better clarify my original statement based on the information on the link below.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-Christianity-1272214.
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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thank you. that reflects reality better.
“My point is the USA government founders were mainly Christians who established the First Amendment Rights to allow freedom of religion.
Government later passed laws to establish public schools and mandate education for all children, Parents could choose to send their children to either public or privates schools. Over time public schools have become so costly that most parents can not afford to send their children to private religious schools to be taught their religious values. and also be required to pay taxes to fund public schools. ”
Public schools are usually paid for by property or some other tax. The idea was that having public schools would create a level playing field for everyone to get a decent education. This doesn’t always happen, but everyone benefits from a educated population so that is why everyone supports public schools, even me who has no children at all.
If a parent wants to have their religious values taught to their children, then why do they need a school to do so?
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I agree in the need to educate everyone to benefit the USA.
As for your comment why everyone has to pay for public schools, if interested, read a post and how i replied to Archer Den why parents may prefer to choose to send their children to religious schools instead in the link below.
https://rudymartinka.com/2019/10/04/king-solomon-choice-of-witchdoctor-atheism-or-christianity-look/comment-page-1/#comment-23211
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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Well, first I’m going to ask you: why do you want something for nothing? You benefit so you get to support it. Why do you need a school to teach your children? Are you and your god unable?
Then we have you say : Do you know what is being taught in public schools and libraries to your children about gay history in recent passed laws in your State? Illinois and other States have recently passed laws to mandate Gay history in elementary public schools.Freedom of Rights and/or sexual choices is not the issue of a public-school teacher’s concerns.:
Lol. Sorry, teaching about freedom of rights is what teachers should be teaching. They shouldn’t be lying to children. Do you want your children lied to when it comes to the truth about LGBT contributions to society? Would you want them to be lied to about non-white people’s contributions? Women’s contributions? All of those things are hated by some Christians who want to claim that their bible supports their bigotry.
This is what the Illinois’ law says: “The textbooks authorized to be purchased under this Section are limited without exception to textbooks that have been preapproved and designated by the State Board of Education for use in any public school and that are secular, non-religious, and non-sectarian, and non-discriminatory as to any of the characteristics under the Illinois Human Rights Act. Textbooks authorized to be purchased under this Section must include the roles and contributions of all people protected under the Illinois Human Rights Act.”
They are not teaching gay sex or how to have it or that it is okay. They are teaching that homosexuals have contributed to American society. You don’t like that? Well, I do suggest that you make sure that nothing you do or touch has any traceability back to a homosexual since you can’t be benefiting from them right? And how would you know since people like you have condemned them so they had to hide themselves from you.
That you are horrified that the truth is taught says quite a bit about you. You’d choose to lie rather than have your kids told the truth, that homosexual people are just like everyone else. Your bible says that homosexuality is wrong, and it also says that you should murder people who work on a sabbath. Do you do that, or are you picking and choosing whatever laws match your image, ignoring those inconvenient ones?
Do you have children? What will you do if they dare not agree with you? Will you kick them out of the house like my friend’s parents did, since he dared to be gay? I hope not, but many Christian parents have done that and worse.
All your links are conservative Christians claims that have nothing to support them.
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Thank you for your comment.
Frankly, I do not understand your question “why I want something for nothing.”
As for your other concerns, perhaps you should address them to the school teacher writer of the article.
I have no persobal objections to teaching history of the accomplishments of any person regardless of race, color, or creed.
I do have objections to teaching gay being the result of nature and not nurture to children without positive scientific proof when children are at an impressionable age.
In my opinion, since freedom of religion is a First Amendment Right, and absent positive scientific evidence of gay be nature instead of nurture, parents should be the final determination what they want taught to their children about the subject of sex education.
That is why I recommend school vouchers to allow parents instead of government to choose what subjects are best to guide their paths in life, whether it be secular religious or family values.
Until the question of nature or nurture is proven one hundred percent, gay is a personal sex choice which should not be represented as being a result of nature and not nurture.
Representing gay sex values as nature and not including religious values is propaganda or indoctrination when presented to children at inappropriate ages during their impressionable time on their path in life.
Regards and good will blogging.
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So, if being gay is indeed found to be natural, will you be okay with it? Why or why not?
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It is OBVIOUSLY not natural club/ as gaydom would go out of business/ survival of the species and all that. But if you claim it is natural, then man/woman/ and the laws of attraction would go out of business. Goodbye marriage/children, and the human race.
Common sense 101 class.
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Hello, CS, back as usual with your baseless claims and hate. A small percentage of the population being homosexuals would not cause a species to die out. As it stands since homosexuals make great parents and take in kids whose natural parents can’t or won’t take care of them, the species benefits.
As usual, you need lies, willful ignorance, and fear to support your version of Christianity you’ve made in your image.
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Can u please point me to the HATE. I have no need for unsubstantiated claims.
If u can’t prove the hate, that would be a lie correct?
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CS, I’ve been interacting with you long enough to know you hate anyone who is different than you. It’s so cute when you try to lie about your actions. If you need me to, I can ask our other acquaintances to help pointing out your past actions.
It’s great to see you unable to actually support your claims, CS. You just try to ignore that you’ve failed again with false claims that I lie about you.
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Hmmm. That’s quite the charge.
I despise the ignorant and false science of Degrasse, Nye, Dawkins, and the revolting comedy of Howard Stern; but I am decent enough to recognize the intellectual trappings of godlessness, while not hating a soul, any more than I loathe a pack of hyenas, yet understanding that they only act like the animals that they are.
Humans are not hyenas, and I’m not shy about saying so.
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Poor CS, he uses the science he hates so much when it shows that his fantasies are wrong. Such lovely hypocrisy, CS. You choose to lie about other people, and can’t show where they have “false science” whatever that means.
You continually make false claims about other people. You lie and claim they aren’t honest. You lie and claim that they have no integrity. That’s not love, CS. You lie and try to claim that your version of your god is responsible for everything, which does beg the question why your god is evidently so pathetic that it couldn’t get around to “giving” antibiotics to humans before around a hundred years ago.
what a god that CS makes in his image.
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Is there any purpose to ask or answer hypothetical questions if there is no scientific answer
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In that there is no reason to not think that homosexuality isn’t natural, (it shows up in other species), there is no reason why you should not be able to answer, if only to prepare for what might come. It seems that you might be ashamed of what your answer is.
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club schadenfreude
Commenting on hypotheticals about gay being a result of nature or nurture is pointless since neither party can scientifically prove either opinions.
Implying I am ashamed is a fallacious Ad Hominem error in logical debate.
In my opinion, best we end the hypotheticals on this issue until there is scientific evidence.
Since there has never been and probably will never be scientific proof, That is the reason I believe parents, not government or politicians, should not make school curriculum choices that do not agree with parents’ religious values.
School vouchers is probably the best solution since the Supreme Court decided on putting up a wall between teaching religion in public schools.
Frankly, the way I interpreted the First Amendment was the founders did not want government to restrict religion but by making it unaffordable for parents, their decision interpreted a separation of religion and State which resulted to restrict religion by making it unaffordable for the majority of parents to pay two tuitions.
That is because if they want to choose a school to teach their religious values to their children using the taxes they pay for public education and their personal funds which most cannot afford.
School vouchers is the only way to resolve this issue unless the Supreme Court changes their interpretations. They have in the past changed their rulings on slavery, for example.
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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Evidence supports that homosexuality is natural and no less normal than heterosexuality. I’m waiting for evidence from you to support your claims about homosexuality and your god being real so we might know that your version of the religion is the true one and make sure that kids aren’t being taught something untrue.
And nope, claiming that you are likely ashamed is not an ad hominem at all. You might want to go look at the definition of that fallacy. You refuse to answer a very straightforward question. You claim that it is pointless because “neither party can scientifically prove either opinions” and that there isn’t “100% positive scientific proof””. That is of course not the case. We have evidence of homosexuality existing in other species, so exactly how does an animal “choose” to be homosexual, scatter? I have evidence that homosexuality is normal and natural e.g. doesn’t need to be taught or chosen. You have nothing to show otherwise. If you claim evidence, show it. As it stands, we have one side with evidence and one without. In science there is never 100% proof, but there is probabilities, and since we have evidence against your claims, that is the way to bet. All you are doing is hiding behind a demand for “scientific proof”, which you seem to be unwilling to describe what you would accept as this scientific proof. Why are you unwilling to answer this too, scatter?
You then claim, falsely, that there is no evidence, and then you claim that magically you know that there “probably” never will be evidence. Amazing how willful ignorance is your own backup for your beliefs that a god somehow doesn’t like homosexuality. Again, you want to hide behind “scientifically proven.
Again, you ignoe the fact that public schools benefit everyone, and you intentionally ignore that not everyone has a choice to go to a private school.
You certainly came up with an interesting “interpretation” of the First Amendment. The authors of the Constitution and amendment didn’t care about your personal ability to pay or not pay for what you want to teach your children; it’s only about the gov’t having a state religion. If you want to teach your children your religion, do so, you can tell them that what they might learn in public school is wrong. You can take them to church or temple or the mosque, and they can learn all you want them to.
What this comes down to is that you don’t want your kids to be exposed to anything you don’t want them to know and to accept what you want without question. You know that if they learn something else, they might do just that. Public schools teach a reality you don’t like. LGBT people exist, they contribute to society, and homosexuality isn’t wrong because a religion that has no evidence to support its claims says it is.
Yep, the SCOTUS has changed its interpretation on slavery. What you are asking is that your fantasies be considered as equal to reality where evidence rules.
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This is why I ask you if you want something for nothing: “That is why I recommend school vouchers to allow parents instead of government to choose what subjects are best to guide their paths in life, whether it be secular religious or family values”. You want to pick and choose what you support, sucking away money from public schools since they have to take anyone. There are no safeguards in place to make private schools bear the same responsibilities as public schools. They can pick and choose who they accept. If this was not the case, then I could support a voucher system.
I’m asking you my questions, not some teacher. You seem to be unwilling to discuss things. So be it, but at least take responsibility for what you are doing.
As for your claim that “I have no personal objections to teaching history of the accomplishments of any person regardless of race, color, or creed”, that does not appear to be true at all since that is whatyou are opposing if you are opposing the Illinois and similar bills.
And for all of your insistence of “positive scientific proof”, I have to wonder what you mean by that. What would you consider “positive scientific proof”? We have plenty of evidence that evolutionary theory is true, but quite a few Christians ignore that in favor of their stories. The problem with your objections are that we don’t have any “positive scientific proof” that heterosexuality is what is “natural”. It may be more common but common doesn’t mean normal. Homosexuality can be just as normal but not as prevalent. We also have no evidence that homosexuality is from the “nuture” side of the equation. There is also the problem with Christian claims since they want to claim that their god has a “plan” for the universe” but then decide based on their personal preferences that this plan doesn’t include homosexuals. Christians don’t all agree with your version of Christianity, scatter. Can you demonstrate that your version is the only right one?
If you are so concerned with impressionable children, do you also agree that they should not be taught religion without evidence that the religion’s claims are true? What evidence do you have that your religion is the right one?
Freedom of religion in the First Amendment the freedom from the government from picking a state religion and showing favoritism to that. You say that you want the right to have your children taught what you want them taught about sex education. Again, nothing in the Illinois bill about sex ed. Do you think you can keep your children ignorant forever? And why would you want to? IT seems that what you want it to try to force your children to agree with you, absent any evidence that shows you might be wrong.
Now, Scatter, Christians have done their best to legislate their beliefs into law, trying to restrict sexual education, scientific education, preventing others from being able to marry, etc. Are you for or against those efforts? Why or why not?
Your religious values have no “positive scientific proof” that they are true, so why have them taught? Isn’t that “propaganda and indoctrination” that you want for your children?
And it’s always cute when a Christian like yourself tries to declare that without “100% proof”, homosexuality is a “personal choice”, when the evidence does not point that way and we’ll never get to that 100% you hide behind.
Now consider that homosexuality could be a personal choice. So? That doesn’t make it wrong at all, only against your particular version of one religion. You depend on the assumption that your religionis true, and as I’ve shown above, that is not supported by evidence, certainly not to 100%.
Unless you are a predestinationalist, your religion is a personal choice too. Explain to me why someone’s possible personal choice can’t be taught as acceptable. As long as it bothers no one else, what argument do you have other than “I chose to have that interpretation of Christianity” that children and adults can’t know about possibilities.
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club schadenfreude
Everything you commented is your personal opinions about me which is your right to express. Sorry if I do not agree or live up to your expectations based on my personal opinions.
There is one comment though than perhaps you might want to reconsider.
You commented
“sucking away money from public schools since they have to take anyone.”
In my opinion, perhaps you should consider where public schools money is derived from.
You may discover that tax money comes from people who work and pay taxes.
Your comment needs to insert some other words, in my opinion.
For example
“sucking away (yours or my) tax money from public schools since they have to take anyone” (who chooses to go to a public school instead of a religious school of their parent’s choice using their tax money.)
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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funny how I already know that taxes support schools, scatter. again, you benefit from public schools, so again why do you want something for nothing? Nice try to rewrite what I said and ignore my points. That’s lying, scatter, and rather pathetic. Do you know that some people have no choice but to go to a public school?
I have asked you plenty of questions that have nothing to do with opinion. Will you answer them?
What is the scientific proof that you would accept that homosexuality is natural? Evidence indicates it is, so how would this evidence change your claims of what your god wants?
If you are so concerned with impressionable children, do you also agree that they should not be taught religion without evidence that the religion’s claims are true? What evidence do you have that your religion is the right one?
Your religious values have no “positive scientific proof” that they are true, so why have them taught? Isn’t that “propaganda and indoctrination” that you want for your children?
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clubschadenfreude
You claimed
“Your religious values have no “positive scientific proof” that they are true, so why have them taught? Isn’t that “propaganda and indoctrination” that you want for your children?”
I believe your “claims” may be confusing apples to oranges in your above statement.
Excerpts
“Furthermore, contrary to stereotype, one certainly doesn’t have to be an atheist in order to become a scientist.”
“This is not to suggest that science and religion never come into conflict. Though the two generally deal with different realms (natural vs. spiritual), disagreements do arise about where the boundaries between these realms lie when dealing with questions at their interface. And sometimes, one side crosses a boundary in its claims.”
If Interested
https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/science_religion
While I sincerely appreciate listen to opinions opposite mine, when fallacious ad hominem is inserted, it distracts from the subject.
For example,
Claiming I should be ashamed implies I am guilty of something?
Claiming I am a liar is a personal attack which many debaters resort to when they become personally frustrated with not being able to provide substance to an issue.
Frankly, it is probably best we do not insert religion or atheist views in both our claims because neither of us can scientifically prove our claims.
As for school vouchers, you claimed I wanted something for nothing. Your claim is ironic because presently when someone sends their child to a private school, it helps lessen the cost to other taxpayers. Kindle like they are getting something for nothing which is not too equitable a circumstance in my opinion.
Please do not take any of the above as a personal affront. It is not my purpose or intent.
I am interested in why you disagree with school vouchers ?
If you care to comment further without ad hominid.
For example, why do you believe it is equitable for taxpayers to have to pay taxes for public school when they pay tuition to send their children to private school?
Regards and goodwill blogging
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Scatter,
No comparing to apples to oranges at all. You are demanding that information about homosexuality not be taught since there isn’t a 100% proof that the claim that it is natural is true. Then you turn around and insist that it is okay to have information about Christianity taught to your children, when that information isn’t 100% proof that it is true. Now, why accept one thing without complete evidence it is true and not another?
Yep, theists can be scientists. This has nothing to do with your hypocrisy. I find it funny that after you went to the effort of finding that article, you ignore what it says.
“Though such clashes may garner print, airwave, and bandwidth headlines, it’s important to remember that, behind the scenes and out of the spotlight, many cases exist in which religious and scientific perspectives present no conflict at all. Thousands of scientists busily carry out their research while maintaining personal spiritual beliefs, and an even larger number of everyday folks fruitfully view the natural world through an evidence-based, scientific lens and the supernatural world through a spiritual lens. Accepting a scientific worldview needn’t require giving up religious faith.”
Now, where is your evidence that your claims about homosexuality are true? Why do you ignore evidence that homosexuality is natural, in favor of a collection of books about a being that you cannot show exists, and that Christians don’t agree what this being wants? I have evidence, you have an opinion. And here’s the whole paragraph that you chose to only offer part of: “his is not to suggest that science and religion never come into conflict. Though the two generally deal with different realms (natural vs. spiritual), disagreements do arise about where the boundaries between these realms lie when dealing with questions at their interface. And sometimes, one side crosses a boundary in its claims. For example, when religious tenets make strong claims about the natural world (e.g., claiming that the world was created in six days, as some literal interpretations of the Bible might require), faith and science can find themselves in conflict.” That last sentence can be written like this in our case “For example, when religious tenets make strong claims about the natural world (e.g., claiming that homosexuality is not natural) faith and science can find themselves in conflict”. Reality comes in conflict with your religion.
And again, with the attempts at claiming an ad hominem fallacy. You are a liar, and I’ve shown where you’ve lied, e.g. presented false information for your benefit, so it is certainly pertinent to this discussion. It is not a sign of frustration though you might want to pretend it is to avoid recognizing what you’ve done.
Asking if you are ashamed is just that, asking if you are ashamed of your answer if you refuse to answer my question: “So, if being gay is indeed found to be natural, will you be okay with it? Why or why not?”. If being homosexual is natural, you will either accept it as something this god wants, or you will change your mind and still attack homosexuals even if it isn’t a choice. Which is it, scatter? You have two possibilities. Why you wouldn’t answer such a question seems to indicate that you don’t like admitting one of those possibilities.
Sorry, but I can support my claims that homosexuality is natural, if not common: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#targetText=No%20species%20has%20been%20found,homosexuality%20is%20not%20an%20issue. http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality/
So your claim that “neither of us can scientifically prove our claims” is wrong. As I’ve told you before, science doesn’t prove anything. Science shows that evidence supports a hypothesis.
When someone sends their child to a private school, especially the religious ones that give a less than truthful education, there is no lessening of costs. In your state, would you get an educational tax credit for sending your child to a private school, scatter? Since private schools can pick and choose which students they take, the public schools are required to take those children who need far more help, so again, you show no lessening of cost at all. You again might want to look at evidence rather than depend on your baseless claims. Google this paper: ““The Equity Impact of Arizona’s Education Tax Credit Program: A Review of the First Three Years,””. I’ve already told you why I don’t agree with school vouchers: they are unfair to public schools who are stuck with student that private schools don’t have to accept. Do you think that is fair, scatter? Why or why not?
I don’t have kids, and I pay school taxes. I get a benefit from an educated population where everyone is educated, not just a select few. Therefore it is equitable.
I do take your false claims as an affront. You don’t get to make then and then try to claim you are innocent.
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You stated,
“I’ve already told you why I don’t agree with school vouchers: they are unfair to public schools who are stuck with student that private schools don’t have to accept.
Do you think that is fair, scatter? Why or why not?”
What a sad pathetic reason in my opinion.
Why should any child be restricted to go to any school and not be able to be taught to their fullest potential in one the wealthiest Nations in the World?
If a child is born in a poverty district in Chicago to a single-family household, they must be limited what they can learn because “that Is fair.”
While in affluent areas parents can either to afford to send their children to a private religious school to be taught religious values, or in higher quality public schools because they are funded better than the poverty areas.
In a Nation where competition fueled some of the greatest achievers, yet competition in schools to compete for students is a brick wall because “that is fair.”
Toss in the factor that parents who are supposed to be responsible to teach moral values, are deprived of choice when liberal school boards make final secular decisions that parents object as in the subject of this post.
And are then told, if they don’t agree, they can take their children out of school and teach them themselves, while at the same time the single-family parent is working two jobs.
School vouchers will be the needed incentives to fund the hundreds of private religious schools that have closed in Chicago because of lack of funds because their parents cannot afford to pay tuition.
Many private religious schools in poverty areas were never able to be self-funded and relied on subsidies from other church parishes in more affluent areas.
As more religious schools closed down, more children mainly in poverty high crime areas went to public schools and the tax border became greater because school teacher unions in public schools went on strike for higher wages in addition to more children not going to private schools
And you believe it is “fair for all” when unruly children hold back children that want to learn because public schools must by law take in all students, whether they want to learn or not.
Holding back quality education while placing economic and religion from being taught because “it is fair” is not fair, in my opinion.
Of course, there will always be exceptions in life to be considered. For example, students with learning disabilities will need special attention.
Same as every child, rich or poor needs special attention when they go to school and are not getting a quality education because of government has taken away the responsibility of parents because “they know better how “to be fair”
For example, by making parents pay taxes for public schools and private schools. The same government parents in Washington DC, including Obama, who send their kids to private schools.
Or as you stated, the parents who want school vouchers are looking for something free.
That is just a small smattering of why or why not you asked. If you want to learn more, you need to ask a school teacher who works in a public school, especially in a high crime poverty area of Chicago if he or she thinks “it is fair.”
Sad, pathetic, foolish, in my opinion.
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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I don’t care about your opinion about my reasoning, and I do love that you don’t seem to give a damn about anyone but yourself, leaving the poor and the needy to the public schools so you can be selfish.
If you cared, you would indeed want every child to get a good education, rather than hiding away from reality and taking away money from the schools. Your crocodiles tears about children allowed to get their fullest potential are worthless.
And nope, a child born in poverty won’t be limited by public schools if they are funded. You don’t want to fund them and that’s why a child will be limited.
Again, if you want to teach children religious values, do it. Have your church do it. And if that teaching can’t stand up to reality, well, that’s your problem, no one else’s.
It is no surprise at all that you want to make poor schools poorer and rich schools richer. That a classic conservative and Christian mindset. You have no problem leaving the less intelligent, the disabled, etc in the dust of your selfishness. You are a classic social Darwinist, the corruption of Darwin’s ideas so the rich can benefit.
You want to whine about how dare secular people want to teach reality, and that’s always funny to watch. You tried to misrepresent what the Illinois law said about what was taught about LGBT people, not sex ed but their contributions to society. And you want to keep claiming that since you baselessly believe that homosexuality is a choice then people should lie and never mention it. You have yet to show that your baseless belief is true and all of the current evidence shows that it is false. The few bigots like you who want the school to reflect you and no one else are such wonderful examples of how some Christians want to force everyone to accept their baseless nonsense.
Yep, the single parent might be working two jobs, and wants to teach their kids what their opinions are. There are gives and takes in any situation. No one is responsible for teaching kids your baseless opinions, except you. What schools are responsible to teach is reality, not subsidize religious schools. I’m sure you’d have a fit if anyone dared to use their voucher for a shari’a school. And yes, I know you’ll try to deny this.
Oh darn, hundreds of religious schools have closed. Do you think they should have prayed harder since this god promises to help Christians? Now, you need everyone to support your religion and funny how that shows your religion to be a failure. And as for religious schools being supported by more affluent areas? Hmmm, seems to show that there’s a waste of funds in the churches since all are half full and still insist on being big fishes in their little ponds. Are you upset that you have to help other Christians, scatter? It seems you are.
Your claim has no base to it again, scatter. Where is your data to back up this: “As more religious schools closed down, more children mainly in poverty high crime areas went to public schools and the tax border became greater because school teacher unions in public schools went on strike for higher wages in addition to more children not going to private schools?” I gave you actual data that shows the opposite.
As for striking, yep, teachers need more money thanks to not being paid enough and needing to buy supplies for their classes. I often find a needy classroom through Donors Choose, including supporting my husband’s cousin who is a teacher in rural South Carolina where they needed just a pencil sharpener. I’m sure you are horrified that anyone dare strike and call out inequity.
Ah, scatter, I see that you try to just consider yourself with ‘unruly’ children, and ignore all of the other kids who will be left behind thanks to your selfishness. Everyone deserves a chance. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way. I’m sure that Jesus Christ is just so proud of you being such a goat.
No one makes you pay for private schools. Those are your choice. You don’t want to be yoked with others, that’s a sacrifice you can make. And I wondered when you’d invoke Obama sending his kids to private schools. His and Michelle’s choice, just like you have a choice. Yep, I still feel that vouchers are you looking for something free.
That a lovely big smattering on how selfish Christians can be. And I’ve talked to public school teachers and they think that an education for all is fair. You are the one who doesn’t think it is. But you go find a teacher who teaches in a public school in a poor area and ask them and report back.
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I agree with your first three words only.
The rest, thanks for your comments but I this is my final “”report back.
Regards and goodwill blogging
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Ah yes, sometimes a terse reply is of more weight. Loved that.
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Well, scatter, thanks for showing that you have nothing to support your claims and that you refuse to answer a question asking if you would keep your baseless claims in the face of evidence or not. Typical for a TrueChristian(tm).
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clubschadenfreude
Thanks again for your comments. I wrote a post today about school vouchers and inserted in highlighted the word “care” which your comments helped inspire.
In my opinion we should all care about each other regardless of our political or personal opinions.
If Interested
https://rudymartinka.com/2019/10/10/king-solomon-chicago-teachers-strike-the-needed-impetus-to/
Regards and goodwill blogging.
I will pray for you.
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You will pray for what for me? I do need to know so I can tell you if your prayer was answered or not.
Still no evidence for your claims. And nice try but no one needs to care about someone’s false or baseless claims. That isn’t caring them at all. But nice try to again try to cast aspersions. How sad that a human being needs to do that.
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clubschedenfreude
You’ll know when you see the light.
If Interested, read this link and listen to the song verses.
https://rudymartinka.com/2019/09/21/king-solomon-i-saw-the-light-wisdom-or-folly/
Regards and goodwill blogging
Ps, I think I will have to also light a candle for you in addition to my prayers next time I go to church.
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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Ah, so you are praying for me to agree with you. So many Christians have said that they are praying for the same thing. They’ve failed too.
So, when I don’t agree with you, what would be the reason? That your god loves an honest atheist and has no problem with me disagreeing with you? That he hates you and your prayers? Or that your god doesn’t exist? What will your excuse be for your god’s inaction?
And lighting a candle? That sounds just like the spells my Wiccan friends use. Is your version of your god unable to know your prayers without a light? Interesting for a supposedly omniscient god.
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I have been appreciating SW interchanges with you club-
Just wondering though, and u don’t have to respond with a lecture:
When you sneeze, and the occasional person says ‘God bless you,’ do you harass them by saying ‘no thank you,’ or do you just accept the well wish and say ‘thank you.’
There is a higher road, and SW is to be commended for his patience with you.
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oh CS has come back. I thank them since I understand the sentiment. Heck even my atheist husband still says it out of habit. So do many people. No evidence for god, it’s a throwaway term.
I know that scatter doesn’t mean it thoughtlessly. He wants me to agree with him and he wants his god to make sure that happens. This is the same for many Christians who have made the same claim. They want magic to happen so they get external validation.
Sorry, your apologetics fail again. Or do you want to ask him if he really means his prayers? Scatter has lied to me so there is nothing to commend him for. I don’t commend deceit. Do you, CS? And always so cute when you beg for me not to show how silly you are.
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How about these parents send their children to secular schools to get a secular education, and then send them to the church or Sunday school that they are supporting with offerings/tithes to get instruction only in their chosen religion??!
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Archers Den
King Solomon, “LGBT” Indoctrination and Child Sexualization
Do you know what is being taught in public schools and libraries to your children about gay history in recent passed laws in your State?
Illinois and other States have recently passed laws to mandate Gay history in elementary public schools.
Freedom of Rights and/or sexual choices is not the issue of a public-school teacher’s concerns.
Rather it is Indoctrination and propaganda in public schools to young impressionable age children.
If interested, read her post in the Source Link below. Then decide if you as a parent should become involved in your school to decide if you agree with the subject matter that your child is being taught about gay sex is history, indoctrination, or propaganda.
In my opinion, after reading this school teacher’s post, we need school vouchers to return school choice responsibilities to parents instead of politicians.
to parents instead of secular government.
King Solomon Wisdom Advice for Parents
Listen, my son, to your father’s instruction and do not forsake your mother’s teaching. (Proverb 1:8)
By wisdom a house is built, and through understanding it is established; (Proverb 24:3)
Train up a child in the way he should go;
even when he is old, he will not depart from it. (Proverb 22:6)
Regards and goodwill blogging.
Source Links
“LGBT” Indoctrination and Child Sexualization
https://thinkandthriveblog.wordpress.com/2019/08/04/lgbt-indoctrination-and-child-sexualization/comment-page-1/#comment-3811
King Solomon, Robert Frost’s ‘Rhetorical’ Path Choice?
https://rudymartinka.com/2019/08/31/king-solomon-robert-frosts-rhetorical-path-choice/
King Solomon, Sex Education Dilemma in USA
https://rudymartinka.com/2019/09/03/king-solomon-sex-education-dilemma-in-usa/
Thanks for your comment.
If interested, read the link below. Parents have to make individual choices of what is best for their children.
The link answers the pros and cons.
Keep in mind that the more time anyone spends on any learning a valued subject, the more proficient or better one will become.
https://media.ascensionpress.com/2019/02/01/catholic-school-some-pros-and-cons/
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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