Which type of school education can be compared in an analogy of an ageless question, a 3000-year-old wisdom verse, a 2500-year-old philosophical observation, a 30-year-old study, and a 3-day old Chicago Tribune published opinion?
The Chicago Tribune article titled: About Civic Education: reports a Princeton Professor warning in this following statement.
“An American bereft (deprived) of citizens who understand our nations ideals and institutions and the conditions of their vitality is an America well on its way to oblivion.”
The Purpose of This Post
Is to relate all the above verses and reports to a wearisome study to present an analogy to the ageless conundrum question: “What came first, the chicken or the egg?”.
King Solomon – 3000 Years Ago
Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body. (Ecclesiastes 12:12)
Socrates – 2374 Years Ago
“Socrates’s point is that voting in an election is a skill, not a random intuition. And like any skill, it needs to be taught systematically to people. Letting the citizenry vote without an education is as irresponsible as putting them in charge of a trireme sailing to Samos in a storm.”
“Democracy then soon degenerates into tyranny. In tyranny, chaos reigns. There is no discipline. Democracy was taken over by the longing of freedom. In tyranny, stability through power must be maintained and along comes a person that experiences absolute power. The individual soon transforms in a tyrant and comes closest to be fully lawless. He can murder and plunder at will.” (Aristotle Politics)
Educating for Moral Character and Civic Duty – 30 Years Ago
“Thus, when it comes to education, the left will call for access to education for the underprivileged often seeing political controversies as a matter of oppressed vs. oppressor. The right, on the other hand, will see the removal of character and citizenship from educational policy as a threat to the wellbeing of institutions that uphold social order, such as the family, religious communities, service organizations or corporations. “
What’s My Point?
If we consider that the same issue of the warnings of books that “wearies the body” and then consider the same warnings about not teaching Democrat civics lessons to our children, one has to wonder if we human mortals are fools to keep reading warnings or advice from previous generations and continue repeating the same follies we have been warned about for thousands of years.
My point is if we continue to teach only civics and not teach morality, the question can be compared to the chicken or egg conundrum. Or is it possible for a Democracy to survive without having both or either a chicken or an egg?
Or to question the wisdom of folly of question why is a Democrat Republic is government making it illegal to teach children both religious morality and civics because both the chicken and the egg are necessities in life.
In My Opinion
We Americans need to wise up and realize that Government Education is a failure based on the studies and warnings ever since the Greeks in history experimented with the experiment of Democracy.
And why we just cannot manage to understand that any citizen lacking moral character because they have never been educated in Christian religious morality same as the founders of the USA Democrat Republic were taught to believe when they wrote the Constitution were?
Same as we know both the chicken and the egg are both needed to produce nutrition will result to nourish our bodies, we need both Spiritual morality and civic educations to nourish both our minds and bodies if we want our Democrat Republic to survive rather than die.
Or in other words, as King Solomon observed we mortals are somehow doomed either because of our DNA or some other evil force driving us to ignore the wisdom and love teachings in the Bible in this verse warning.
For the wise, like the fool, will not be long remembered; the days have already come when both have been forgotten. Like the fool, the wise too must die! (Ecclesiastes 2:16)
And whether it is a person or a Democrat Republic that dies makes no difference to hope if one either dies according to this verse.
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
If Interested
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You Decide
Is it wise or foolish for parents to demand school choice or school vouchers be approved by their legislators now that the 2020 Supreme Court has ruled that the States Blaine Amendment are unconstitutional?
When will we wise up and quit studying books of advice about educations who still cannot understand which came first the chicken or the egg when both are needed, same teaching children to govern in a Democrat Republic that both morality and civic lessons taught to nourish our minds and bodies.?
Will teaching wisdom and love in the Bible help prevent us or reduce having us to read “wearisome news reports” from continuing to report the same of repeat follies in our Nation that have been reported in previous generations since the beginning of time?
Regards and goodwill blogging.
Chicago Tribune
https://www.pressreader.com/usa/chicago-tribune/20210111/281706912319022
Educating for Moral Character and Civic Duty
Educating for Moral Character and Civic Duty • Educational Renaissance
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Can’t teach civic without a class in morality? Can’t teach sex without a class in morality? Who’s morality exactly? Seems it would fall to parents but most parents have no idea. Just spawning the young doesn’t make one suddenly an appropriate parent. Many times that simply means the parent missed that morality class.
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Doug
You stated,” Many times that simply means the parent missed that morality class.”
You pinpointed and made a very profound observation when you stated the root cause of what happened when government took over education instead of parents over a hundred years ago. as proof of my opining on this issue.
Thanks for your comment.
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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The reason government “took over education” is precisely because most parents cannot educate (much less “parent”) given they themselves we seldom educated. As I stated.. just because you can create kids doesn’t in the least mean parents are always capable of raising them. Of this I know given my association with Children Protective Services.
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Doug,
Is it a remote possibility that the reasons some parents are not capable of raising them have any link to the possibility that they were never taught Christian morality in their childhood?
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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Very true to some measure.. but just being “taught” Christian morality in no mean assures Christian behavior all the time. Just look at how the insurgents at the Capitol assaulted cops physically and verbally threatened the lives of Congressional members. I am sure they all think they are the best Christians on the planet.
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Doug
1. You commented: “but just being “taught” Christian morality in no mean assures Christian behavior.”
I agree and stated teaching Christian morality would hopefully reduce the madness and folly, the term King Solomon used to describe what he observed 3000 years ago.
I keep bringing up that if the government would conduct a study of all convicted criminals jailed to compare if they attended a private religious school or a public secular school, it would prove my point.
Also keep in mind, that in my opinion, religion must be taught “n depth,” meaning that attending Sunday school for an hour a week will not provide the same in-depth teachings as a child would receive in a private religious school and and is needed by everyone including parents.
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For example, same as there exist a number of politicians in the Republican Party identified as RINOS, a person who states they have a religious belief but do not either practice or maintain their beliefs and attend Church on a regular basis to keep reminding them not to forget how to practice their religion, cam be identifies as a CJHRISTIAN IN NAME ONLY.
2. You commented: “Just look at how the insurgents at the Capitol assaulted cops physically and verbally threatened the lives of Congressional members.”
There has not been an in depth investigation of the people who stormed the Capital that I am aware of which begs the same question. How many of those arrested attended a private religious or public secular school?.
Or it it possible many people have rushed to judgement and accused Trump in error?
Citizen Tom was at the Capital and he is presenting a far different opinion of the crowd behavior that is being reported in the liberal news medias.
For example, did Trump tell the crowd to storm the Capital or did he tell them to protest in the same manner as what started out as a peaceful march in Washington Riots in January 2O20 and resulted in riots, looting and burning that took place for another group of citizens protesting their government unfair and unjust biased treatment and favoring whites over blacks, instead of Democrats over Republicans.
Sad.
Thanks for your comments though. It gives me the opportunity to expand on the logic of my post.
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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If history informs me correctly, the reason for a school in every township was so the electorate would be properly informed. I agree that in public schools a great deal of what I consider a whole education has been deemed unconstitutional. The chances that one will have a better chance of making informed choices, exists in private religious schools, in my opinion. Alas, the recipients of said education are still human and prone to error, but the basis is still there.
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Not sure it was exactly “properly informed” as much as it was being uniformly taught so as to have the ability to be informed. While public education has turned into an institution by itself it falls victim to some level of institutionalism. BUT.. having said that.. administration was designed to be localized so that regional preferences could be reflected. Of course the Fed has certain mandates.. to try and assure some level of national uniformity.. and to assure revenues support the process. If that’s outmoded these days.. then find an alternative I suppose.
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Yeah you’re right
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Jeffw5382, Doug
Doug’s comment is valid: “he Fed has certain mandates. to try and assure some level of national uniformity” in my opinion.
However, the Fed mandates do not assure morality measurements or passements do they?
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Of course not, because it is unlawful to teach Christian morality values in a public school.
And if a parent wants to send their children to a private religious school, they must be able to afford the tuition which is impossible for both the poor and many middle-class families.
And is it fair and just to make the parents pay two tuitions. Another tuition to fund a public school and one to pay for a private school?
My guess is in addition to information of convicted criminals’ type of school we would also find a correlation to rich or poor convicted criminals.
Sad in my opinion that the government won’s conduct the study. Or is it even more sad that if they did the truth would be known that Government run public secular only teaching is a failure to teach morality and civic duty in comparison to a private religious school which in my opinion is a b better value than a school grade in life…
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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Thank you for your re-blog.
Regards and goodwill blogging
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